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August 15[edit]

Past edit summaries starting to appear when you start typing[edit]

Say I wanted to add the edit summary- Needs a WP:RS. If I start typing N..e.. etc etc past edit summaries of mine starting the same way would appear beneath the ES box.

This used to happen whenever I edited WP but some time back it stopped. Now I have to type the whole edit summary. Was there a cause for this change and is there a fix?...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 00:31, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

This is I believe just the browser's autocomplete. Did you recently change browsers? It should remember the ones you're writing now. – Thjarkur (talk) 00:45, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
Also, I think having to do a system backup on the device you're using would clear that log, It's happened to me in the past. - FlightTime Phone (open channel) 00:48, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
My browser has been firefox for a long time. I fixed the the problem. Thank you for the help....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 01:02, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
Yep, :P - FlightTime Phone (open channel) 01:07, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

adding a citation[edit]

I added a sentence to Grand Army of the Republic. To add the citation for this I wrote Camp-Fire Chats [20] because there were already 19 citations. My format wasn't right but someone corrected it and changed it to [7] because of its location I guess. I wonder how to format it correctly. Also, the book I referred to is a copy I have from 1888. However, I noticed that the other references all had internet links, so I found one online, although it is a different edition from the one I have. The editor also changed the publisher to the one I retrieved, not the one I referred to in my sentence. Joe Vignos — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nimishillen (talkcontribs) 03:13, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

@Nimishillen: A guide to adding references is at WP:REFB. Sources do not have to be online. A list of templates to use when adding sources can be found at WP:CITET. Refs should be placed inline at the point in the text to which they refer. (Please sign your posts on talk pages by using four tildes like this: ~~~~.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 04:15, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

To check about reliability of a website[edit]

Is 'Forbes' website independent and reliable ? I read the article about reliability of any website on "Wikipedia:Reliability of Reference" but I couldn't understand anything. So, I need help from you all. Please! give your comments. Thank you. ( (talk) 11:25, 15 August 2019 (UTC))

See WP:Reliable sources/Perennial sources#Forbes. - David Biddulph (talk) 11:32, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
  • I couldn't find name of a news website "The Economic Times" and name of one e-magazine called "The International Indian" at WP:Reliable sources/Perennial sources.Are these website not independent and reliable? Please! anyone comment on this.

Thank you. ( (talk) 12:45, 15 August 2019 (UTC))

I would say The Economic Times is probably generally reliable (whether or not any source is reliable always depends on the specific context). I'm not sure about The International Indian. Perhaps Sitush can help? Sitush is very aquainted with sources in and about India. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 13:34, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
I have never heard of The International Indian but The Economic Times can be ok, although you do have to be aware that there is a lot of paid-for editorial in Indian newspapers and also a phenomenal amount of plagiarism. It would probably be best to ask on the talk page of the specific article for which you want to use these sources. - Sitush (talk) 15:54, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
That page is (as it says at the top of the page) "a list of sources whose reliability and use on Wikipedia are frequently discussed". - David Biddulph (talk) 13:33, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

submitting a suggested article[edit]

Hello, I've done a search and can't find a subject I think would be notable to include on Wikipedia. They are a client of mine. I have written up some copy and sourced references but i'll admit I'm a bit confused what do next. I haven't edited on Wikipedia before, but conscious this will probably involve a conflict of interest. Is there a way of submitting the article for review if another editor would like to include?

thanks Vicky — Preceding unsigned comment added by VickyBevic (talkcontribs) 12:13, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

VickyBevic You may use Articles for Creation to submit a draft, but you will first need to formally comply with the conflict of interest and paid editing policy(the latter is a Terms of Use requirement). You should also review the notability criteria written at WP:BIO. 331dot (talk) 12:23, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hello, Vicky. Thank you for asking, rather than just plunging into it. Creating a new article and getting it accepted is one of the hardest tasks on Wikipedia, and I always advise new editors to spend a few weeks or months improving existing articles (heaven knows we have enough articles that need it!) before they try it. If the subject is a client of yours, that makes it much harder, because it is likely to be hard for you to write in the required neutral way. Nevertheless, you are not forbidden to try, and I would strongly advise you in any to use the articles for creation process, which involves a review before the draft is moved into article space. If you are going to proceed with this, you must read about conflict of interest, and make the declarations that are required for a Paid editor; then you would do well to read your first article. One thing to bear in mind is that Wikipedia articles are for the benefit of Wikipedia (and hence for all readers in the world) and not for anybody or anything else. If there is even a hint in your mind that you are writing an article for the benefit of or on behalf of somebody or something other than Wikipedia itself, you are doing it wrong - and if you are paid by a client, there probably is such a hint in your mind. That is why we speak of Conflict of Interest, and advise great caution. --ColinFine (talk) 12:30, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback ColinFine and 331dot ! I appreciate the neutrality and value for the community. I'll read the articles suggested, and get my head around the codes/formats of edits, and hopefully submit something that can be reviewed :)

A biography page for my father[edit]

Hi, I want to create a Wikipedia page for my father who was an important political figure in Angola, Africa. How do I start and what are the requirements? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joaniha5 (talkcontribs) 12:25, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

You'll find advice at WP:Notability (people), WP:Your first article, and WP:conflict of interest. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:35, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Help missed[edit]

Nobody help me on my previous request? -- (talk) 13:08, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Please identify your earlier post... this is the only edit showing in the contributions from the IP address used. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 13:13, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
This. -- (talk) 13:17, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
Sorry for the lack of response, probably no one who saw the request was knowledgable about N'Ko character input. – Thjarkur (talk) 13:21, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Tom Brown (end)[edit]

What does "end" mean in this context? And is it something the general reader should be expected to understand? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:00, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Nvrmnd, I see it now. Still, not obvious to a non-fan. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:04, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

I have added another sentence to the body of the article in the hope of making the link to End (gridiron football) easier to spot. TSventon (talk) 15:30, 15 August 2019 (UTC)


I know we haven’t reached one week yet (the usual amount of time before an RfD is relisted) But I wanted to ask ahead of time, when the time comes, can this redirect be relisted? [1] James-the-Charizard (talk) 16:47, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Please response[edit]

I have posted request on talk page of Dr. Shamsheer to add some important information in the article. Two days passed, yet no any response given. Please! anyone tell me how long will it take to get answered. Thank you. ( (talk) 16:54, 15 August 2019 (UTC))

The article does not need to contain details of every donation that Vayalil makes. This could be considered WP:UNDUE. Only the most significant might be considered worthy of inclusion.
On another note, you have been editing now for 3 or 4 months from at least 20 different IP addresses and all of your edits are to, or about, Shamsheer Viyalil. Please clarify your interest in the subject; do you have a connection? If so you should read WP:COI and make the necessary declarations. Do you work for him or one of his business interest? If so, even if 'unpaid' you *must* read WP:PAID (this is not optional). In any event Wikipedia can have doubts about single purpose accounts or editors and in view of the amount of demands you have made upon other editors, I think an explanation would be welcome. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 17:14, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
  • About seven months ago I read about Dr. Shamsheer Vayalil's philanthropy and his success in a famous newspaper. From that day only I got very inspired from him. Then I searched about him on google and read about him on wikipedia, there I found that many important informations about him were not indicated in the article. So, I decided that I will collect important informations related to him from different sources and get it added in the article. I don't work for him nor I am paid for this work. It's all about my dedication towards him. I don't know that my dedication towards improving his article is wrong or right.Hope you will guide me towards right path"Eagleash".

Thank you. ( (talk) 18:06, 15 August 2019 (UTC))

You have made a duplicate request at the Teahouse, which has been answered. Please only ask the same question in ONE venue.--Quisqualis (talk) 21:00, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
  • No! I didn't make any request at Teahouse. I only make request on talk page of the article or on the help desk.

Thank you. ( (talk) 01:48, 16 August 2019 (UTC))

Reason explained[edit]

  • The request which I posted on Dr. Shamsheer' talk page is very important.

1) The request for philanthropy part is important because at present in India 🇮🇳 "Swaach Bharat Abhiyan" is going on and Dr. Shamsheer's donation(10 million) for this initiative is very appreciable. So, this should be indicated in the article. 2) The request for business part is important because he had spent 1000 crore for acquisition of various projects in India. 3) Dr. Shamsheer has entered in race to buy a part of "Fortis" Healthcare. I think this is quite enough to explain about the request which I posted on talk page. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:45, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Impossible to add URL as "External Link[edit]


I tried to add an external link on this page:

The link is totally legit (www.cgap dot org) as he provides relevant content for the page in question but it is refused with this message: The text you want to save has been blocked by the spam filter . This is probably due to a link to an external blacklisted site. The following is what triggered our spam filter:

Can anyone help me to solve this problem?

Thanks for your help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noel92140 (talkcontribs) 17:40, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Noel92140, this site is on the blacklist as the group had tried to promote themselves here for years, see MediaWiki_talk:Spam-blacklist/archives/ You should be able to find other sources to cite. – Thjarkur (talk) 17:50, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Using a dagger for a footnote or external link[edit]

Is it ever appropriate to do this, as this page does? (Edit: Sorry that I forgot to say please.)--Thylacine24 (talk) 19:06, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

@Thylacine24: Can you please clarify what you mean by using a dagger? I'm not seeing it. RudolfRed (talk) 19:09, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
I linked to the wrong page, and was in the process of editing it when you replied. I meant this page. Sorry. (Edit: Also sorry that I was accusatory about mentioning that I was editing it when you replied.)--Thylacine24 (talk) 19:10, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
I’ve never seen one of those cross symbols. I don’t think it should be there. Willbb234Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 19:32, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks.--Thylacine24 (talk) 21:58, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
I've changed it to a footnote labelled "JPL". (Sorry to have this in a separate comment from the one where I thanked you.)--Thylacine24 (talk) 22:04, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
The guidance on Template:JPL used in Samara River has examples of how to use the template which are clearer than using †, so I think you could change † in this case. I am not aware of any general policy on †. TSventon (talk) 19:38, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks.--Thylacine24 (talk) 21:58, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
I've changed the dagger to a numbered footnote. (Sorry to not do this earlier and bring it up in the comment where I said "Thanks.")--Thylacine24 (talk) 22:04, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

How to update the seal of York County Maine[edit]

the seal of york county Maine has changed in color from blue to green but i cannot figue out how to change the logo the links are New seal

Old seal that is currantly on the article how to fix it — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:49, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

I've uploaded the new seal as a newer version of the old image at Commons, and it is now showing in the article. I reduced the resolution considerably, but the green seal is still a bit higher resolution than the old blue seal which was very low-res. Should I reduce it further? Also, I've forgotten how to make the background transparent, but I made it white so that it doesn't show in the article. Dbfirs 09:03, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Caption Clarification/Correction - Knesses_Yisrael_Yeshiva_Hebron.jpg[edit]

Yesterday I left a note at File talk:Knesses Yisrael Yeshiva Hebron.jpg saying "Since the yeshiva was founded 1924, to what does the 1911 in this photo's description refer?"

There was some kind of Wiki feedback about what if the uploader isn't watching

(which I'd like to return to, but there is no obvious way to get back to the Wiki advisory). Rather than just leave it at that, what else can I do? I'm aware of the Be-Bold concept, but . . . I've never yet changed a caption. Pi314m (talk) 20:35, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Maybe the 1911 refers to the building and 1924 refers to the group. - FlightTime (open channel) 20:39, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
The website listed as the source for the photo states that the photograph dates from 1911. Wikipedia is based on its sources. It might not be worth your while to take up the issue with the website's owner, even though the photo date seems illogical. Wikpedia is not always right; neither are its sources. If the date appears in an article's photo caption, feel free to remove it. Changing a caption is not difficult; it lies in the text of the relevant article section. Be careful not to change the filename when changing the caption.--Quisqualis (talk) 20:54, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

/* Progress */ Project to reinstate the Cathedral[edit]

proposed content belongs on the article's talk page

Hello I would like to update this section of the page. I would like to say: "There is a project underway [insert link to project page] to reinstate the Cathedral. On 22 August 2018, an agreement was signed that established a new entity, Christ Church Cathedral Reinstatement Limited, a charitable company, to reinstate Christ Church Cathedral." [1] However, I cannot find a place other than the actual reinstatement project page [2] that explains what is involved in the project. It is the only source of truth. I tried to add this two days ago but it was deleted on the basis it might not have been factual and might have been biased. How can I get around that, given there is no other place the information is available? Thanks.Berrygirl1972 (talk) 22:22, 15 August 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Berrygirl1972 (talkcontribs)

(This is regarding the ChristChurch Cathedral). Berrygirl1972, has this matter not been discussed in local newspapers? – Thjarkur (talk) 22:37, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

~Hi Pjarkur, Yes it has, but not the details. The media provides very limited information. If the best I can do is refer to media then that's what I'll do, but it seems very unreasonable that the website that provides the factual, detailed information is not able to be included and only very basic media information is considered ok. To my mind media is not unbiased at all, but that's another conversation. Berrygirl1972 (talk) 22:52, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Berrygirl1972, I believe it can still be helpful in order to summarize and to show that the matter has gotten some local attention. (Newspapers do of course get many details wrong). The section you added is a bit too detailed. Could you maybe post some newspaper articles on the article's talk page? I'll see if I can help. – Thjarkur (talk) 23:27, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Ok, so how about this proposed content? FYI, User:Schwede66 has also been helping me, thank you to you both.

Project to reinstate the Cathedral On 22 August 2018, an agreement was signed that established a new entity, Christ Church Cathedral Reinstatement Limited, a charitable company, to reinstate Christ Church Cathedral. [1]

Reinstatement is a combination of repair, restoration, reconstruction and seismic strengthening. The reinstated Cathedral will be similar in appearance to the original, Gothic revival building with a commitment to retain much of the original design and many of the heritage features. It will also be much safer, built with a high level of seismic strength, with an upgraded, base isolated foundation to help protect against future earthquakes. [2] [3] [4]

Berrygirl1972 (talk) 23:35, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

@Berrygirl1972: It's much better to discuss these issues on the subject article's talk page. Schwede66 00:29, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Finding an article's title history[edit]

The move log only shows me when an article was moved from a given title, however I don't seem to be able to see all the previous titles a given article ID has had. Take for example Voßstraße which has lived under at least 6 different titles (3 of which are shown in that log). How can I see the move history for this article, not just moves from this title? The only "solution" I've found is to search for "Moved" in the edit history. – Thjarkur (talk) 23:03, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

There's really no other way except the solution you're using. I think you can also search the move logs of all the old titles. Phab:T10731 sought to provide solution to that, but no progress for years. – Ammarpad (talk) 05:56, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge[edit]

In the further reading section at the bottom of the page - I added a 2018 published book by S. de Vries called "Royal Marriages: Diana, Camilla, Kate & Meghan and princesses who did not live happily ever after".

But it is all wrong. Please fix and I am sorry. 2001:8003:D9A2:5502:25C4:94F5:3027:DFCD (talk) 23:29, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

In the further reading section there is another work (Kelly's) which shows how to format these sort of links in an effective manner. Use that as an example and format yours in the same way. It may be pertinent to show the relevance to the Wikipedia article. Eagleash (talk) 03:49, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
please help I cannot do it on this phone thanks175.33.248.139 (talk) 03:52, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Fixed (by the OP) Eagleash (talk) 10:31, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

SOLVED: Is anyone up to the job of helping me update our page on downtime?[edit]

Wikipedia:Downtime is currently inactive and is retained for historical reference. I think it would be worthwhile to revive it. Does anyone know where I can find the information I would need to do that? My impression is that in recent years we have only had brief planned downtime while various upgrades are made, but I would like to see a page documenting the great job the server wranglers are doing. --Guy Macon (talk) 23:30, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Some metrics are available on Grafana although I don't know how to parse this data. I guess we could ask the developers to share some of their logs and post-mortems, or at least encourage them to start blogging about them again. – Thjarkur (talk) 10:30, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. That link was helpful. I also found this:
I think I have enough to update the page, but it will tale some time to tease out the outages from the other stuff. --Guy Macon (talk) 23:02, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

August 16[edit]

Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge[edit]

Please help - I have failed to get both the page number in its correct place and the full quote in with the Burke's Peerage book added in the Further Reading section at the bottom of this page. Please fix. Thanks (talk) 05:08, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Fixed The page Nos and dates still don't go in the publisher parameter. Eagleash (talk) 10:33, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Welcome message needed[edit]

Hi there, sorry I don't have Twinkle yet. Can someone drop a welcome message (one of the detailed ones) on this user's talk page: User:EMC11240. The account is related to the subject of the BLP, works for him. Thanks. Bodding (talk) 05:37, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

You can send anyone a welcome message without Twinkle by going to their talkpage, opening a new section and typing {{subst:welcome}}. – Ammarpad (talk) 05:47, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Details of The British Institutes[edit]

Dear Wikipedia Team,

Please include the detail of The British Institutes in Wikipedia for users. The details are there at

I think this must be included so please have a look.

Regards Jayant Kumar Roy M- 9748456124 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jayantroy1985 (talkcontribs) 07:34, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

If Wikipedia is going to have an article, we need substantial, independent, reliable source texts to research the Institutes and help us write the article. We can't use their own website, because that does not establish that the Institutes are notable on their own. If you want the article created AND if you can provide that source text to help someone create the article, see Wikipedia:Requested articles, where you can request an article be created. Or, if you prefer, you can just create it yourself. See Help:Your first article. --Jayron32 15:30, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Looking for a Wiktionary template[edit]

I want to use some Wiktionary links on my userpage and I don't want they appear as external links. e.g. I want neverland becomes something like Neverland or neverland. A template for linking to Wiktionary entries. Thanks. --Wario-Man (talk) 09:25, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

You can link to [[:wikt:neverland|Neverland]] which shows up as Neverland. For other types of links you can write <span class="plainlinks">[ Google]</span> which shows ups as Google. – Thjarkur (talk) 09:38, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
Very helpful. Thank you. --Wario-Man (talk) 10:04, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Adding SideBox[edit]


Could you please let me know how can I add a sidebox to the Wikipedia page I am currently writing? Awaiting your quick response. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jayadeep Subhashis (talkcontribs) 13:03, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Jayadeep Subhashis, which article? You can see Help:Infobox, but it can also be good to copy over an infobox from a related article. – Thjarkur (talk) 13:26, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
This is presumably User:Jayadeep Subhashis/sandbox.--Shantavira|feed me 14:05, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

New article:[edit]

Hello, Although I've made a great many edits to Wikipedia articles, I never contributed an original article until a few days ago, about Dave Getz, the longtime drummer for the rock band Big Brother and the Holding Company. I strove to follow all the guidelines on format, citations, etc., but I fear that I got some things wrong. I would also like to include an illustration or two - either a photograph of Getz or a reproduction of one of his original artworks, or perhaps both - but I'm not sure how to do this either. I'll be very grateful for any assistance! Getz turns 80 next year, and richly deserves his own Wikipedia entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jro571 (talkcontribs) 13:13, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

@Jro571: I've had a quick look at the page and it's a sound basis for development into an article. Couple of quick points: I feel the 'early life' section is a little too long It should probably be shorter than the main 'thrust' of the article (his career with BBTHC etc) and phrases like 'contributing a powerful but supple and elegantly varied quality' smack of point of view, without a source to back them up. I think he would pass WP:NMUSIC but some more independent references would help - which provide WP:SIGCOV. I note there is already a page for Getz (a redirect to the BBTHC page) this would need Admin. attention to delete to make way for a move once the page goes through AfC. As far as images are concerned, copyright will be an issue if it is not an image you took yourself. Eagleash (talk) 14:23, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
@Jro571: The section about 'Renewed involvement with visual arts' appears to be a copyright violation of his website bio. Wikipedia takes copy-vio very seriously and this should be re-written as soon as possible to avoid any potential issues. Eagleash (talk) 22:50, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Video-but-not-really 3D file (.stl) - play from inside Wikipedia?[edit]

Context: the article Prince Rupert's cube is about a 3D geometry problem that is quite hard to visualize. Fortunately, it includes File:Prince Rupert's cube.stl which allows to grab the thing in 3D and have a better feel of what happens.

Unfortunately, you have to click through a few times: once from the article to go to the Commons page, and once again to go to [2], from where you can grab the thingie. It sounds like suboptimal user design compared to videos or audio (where you click on the play symbol and it starts to play).

Is it possible / desirable / planned to display such files in a more user-friendly way that the current manner (which is basically "download it")? TigraanClick here to contact me 13:51, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

@Tigraan: I'm not a graphics or Wikipedia programming expert, but it seems that an animated .gif might work better, since it would be clunky to have to instruct readers to click and rotate the image. See [[3]] as an example. But then again, some people don't like visual distractions while they are trying to read. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 15:07, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Do not archive[edit]

I have been using the following to stop certain posts on my talk page being archived"

 <!-- [[User:DoNotArchiveUntil]] 03:14, 19 January 2038 (UTC) -->

(Extra geek credit to anyone who recognizes why i chose that date)

I noticed some pages use this instead:

 <!-- START PIN -->{{Pin message}}<!-- [[User:DoNotArchiveUntil]] 22:36, 11 June 2029 (UTC) -->{{User:ClueBot III/DoNotArchiveUntil|1875911772}}<!-- END PIN -->

Other than the pin message, is there any difference/advantage between the two? Does the "DoNotArchiveUntil|1875911772" really make any difference? --Guy Macon (talk) 15:16, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

How to cite multilingual pages properly?[edit]

Cite templates has a parameter lang, which denotes the language of the page/work. What happens if there're multiple languages on a single webpage? Should the parameter be left out? For example .--Roy17 (talk) 16:55, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

@Roy17:Since we try to minimize rules and guidelines, we must use our judgement in a case like this. Since you are citing, I recommend you use the language that actually contains the information you are citing. If you, the editor, got the info from the English, cite the english. If you got it from the Chinese, set lang to Chinese. For more complex cases, remember that a template is a convenience feature. It is quite possible to carefully craft a citation that does not use a template, or in a case like this, use the template and then add text after the template but within the ref, like (English and Chinese). -Arch dude (talk) 17:21, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
The guidance on template:cite web gives the example of lang or language=French, German. Presumably other cite templates are similar. TSventon (talk) 17:38, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Hamsa Majed and Salah Al Bahar and Murtaja Adel Nasser[edit]

I wrote these three articles a few days ago but have not yet appeared on other search engines \ Google Akram.altameemi (talk) 19:12, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

@Akram.altameemi: The articles need to be marked as formally reviewed before search engines can index them; that takes time. Wikipedia has no control over Google's or other search engine's processes. Is there a particular reason you want it to appear quickly? 331dot (talk) 19:19, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

There is no specific reason but previously I wrote several articles and was reviewed quickly and appear on Google Akram.altameemi (talk) 19:26, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Editor keeps asking about this (see above, '#Salah Al Bahar' on 14 August) and has been advised on several occasions that the articles do not meet standards. Advice has been given in respect of ways to improve them but has not happened. Eagleash (talk) 20:26, 16 August 2019 (UTC)


GRAND FORKS AFB IS IN NORTH DAKOTA, NOT SOUTH DAKOTA — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:41, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

The article Grand_Forks_Air_Force_Base says it is in North Dakota. Is there another article you see an error in? RudolfRed (talk) 19:53, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
The error was in the article linked above. Now fixed.] IP editor, this is a wiki, and you can do this kind of thing yourself if you want; ask if you want to find out how. But thanks for letting us know. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:15, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Post-move default contents on redirect[edit]

When a page is moved, the content of the old page title is set to #REDIRECT [[$1]] {{R from move}}. Is there a Mediawiki: page that sets this layout?  Nixinova T  C  22:05, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

The addition of a blank line and {{R from move}} is from MediaWiki:Move-redirect-text. I don't know whether #REDIRECT [[$1]] can be changed. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:32, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the info  Nixinova T  C 

Can I add someone to wiki[edit]

Am I able to add someone to wiki that is not listed that should be? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sexylexy1989 (talkcontribs) 23:12, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Depends on who the person is. They need to meet Wikipedia's special definition of notability, which usually requires multiple instances of coverage in reliable sources (e.g. major newspapers) that are not associated with the person. – Teratix 00:00, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

August 17[edit]

Incorrect information[edit]

There is a link on your website entitled, "Murder of Cooper Harris". This could more appropriately be titled "Death of...". Although it is public knowledge that Cooper's father was convicted of murder. We, the family and many, many others know that this was a tragic accident. The courts got it wrong.

I have long supported and contributed to Wikipedia, and do not agree that this presumption is appropriate and in keeping with accuracy and truth, should be corrected.

Thank you. Sue M Scott — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3B5D:2B20:318F:F099:3EDC:FA7C (talk) 00:38, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

WP:PROVEIT. - FlightTime (open channel) 00:42, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
We need more than just you saying the murder conviction is incorrect, we need independent reliable sources discussing that view on their own to mention it in the article- and even that cannot remove the use of the term murder, as he was convicted in court of murder. If he was wrongly convicted, he (or you) should seek legal counsel. 331dot (talk) 01:15, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
I would add that while your donations to the Foundation are appreciated, they have no bearing on Wikipedia content, as if they did, anyone could buy the content they wanted, or blackmail Wikipedia to preserve content. 331dot (talk) 01:18, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Nathan McCall wiki page[edit]

Mr. McCall is listed as a rapist. Mr. McCall did talk about in his book raping a woman but he has never been convicted of any rape. Makes me Wanna Holler is listed twice. One entry is a good short review of the other book. The other refers to his rapist past. Calling him a rapist when he hasn't been convicted subjects you to potential litigation.

Here are the two lines in question.

Nathan McCall (born 1955) is an African-American author and rapist who grew up in the Cavalier Manor section of Portsmouth, Virginia.

In his first book, Makes Me Wanna Holler A chapter titled Trains details his rapist past.

In his first book, Makes Me Wanna Holler,[1] McCall provides a detailed story of his life and the hardships he experienced growing up with racial profiling, class differences and peer pressure.[2][3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:603:1F7F:B75E:D861:DF57:7F16:2445 (talk) 00:44, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Fixed – This material was added in last week and wasn't caugt then. If you see other such violations of our biographies of living people policies you can usually edit the page yourself and remove it. – Thjarkur (talk) 01:19, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

World Quizzing Championships page - help requested[edit]


My name is Jane Allen, I am the managing director of the International Quizzing Association which runs the annual World Quizzing Championships event. One of the people who has won the competition on numerous occasions, Pat Gibson, plays for England, but this keeps being erroneously changed to 'Ireland'. Pat was born in Ireland, but has lived for around 25 years in Wigan, England. As such, he chooses to represent England and not Ireland, as is his right.

Please can you advise on how to stop whoever it is that keeps changing his nationality to Ireland from doing this? Pat is even a member of the England team in international competitions. He does not represent Ireland.

Many thanks Jane. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:18, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Comment: I see that our article on Pat Gibson describes him as Irish, and says that he "competes as part of the England quiz team". Maproom (talk) 06:52, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
The Irish claim was made by an anon editor from Balbriggan who presumably wanted to claim Pat for Ireland. Please let us know if the false claim reappears. Dbfirs 07:49, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Jane: Very many thanks. I don't know who the anon editor might be, but he/she isn't an organiser of the event. Pat definitely represents England. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:23, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Ctrl+c / Ctrl+x jumping issue[edit]

Hi - when I'm editing content, if I cut or copy text, my cursor always jumps up to the top of the screen, meaning I have to scroll down to find where I was before. This is pretty annoying if I'm just reordering sentences or moving refs around or whatever. It only happens to me when editing Wikipedia - it doesn't seem to be something I've enabled generally on my computer, I can use word or whatever without it happening. Has anyone else experienced this, and can anyone suggest a fix? (Please ping me if you respond, my watchlist is massive) Thanks GirthSummit (blether) 06:33, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello Girth Summit. I can’t say I’ve ever experienced this, so I’m guessing it is a problem with your compiter. Maybe try doing Ctrl+c/Ctrl+x on other Wikimedia websites to see if it has and affect there? Regards, Willbb234Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 09:08, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
Willbb234, thanks for the suggestion. I just tried editing my user page on meta, and the problem did not occur - I can copy or cut text, and the cursor stays where I expect it to, at the point where I copied/cut. If I edit my user page (or any other page) on enWiki, even if I'm write down in the categories section, as soon as I copy/cut the cursor jumps to the top of the page.
If I remember correctly, this started happening a few months ago when I installed a bunch of scripts that were recommended to me when I started doing WP:NPP work. I wonder whether this is a known feature/bug of any script. I guess I could uninstall them all, see if it goes away, then reinstall them one by one and see whether I can find which one (or which combination of them) is causing it - I thought I'd ask here though before going through all that. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 10:28, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
Girth Summit, I've been having the same problem for at least several weeks now. It's extremely frustrating. If you figure out which script is causing it, please share. Schazjmd (talk) 12:41, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
Schazjmd, I'm glad it's not just me (while simultaneously being sorry that you're experiencing it too, it's a real pain!). I'll do some experimenting later this afternoon, and update here if I can figure it out. GirthSummit (blether) 12:43, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
Girth Summit, until you brought it up, I wondered if I'd just misremembered that it had always worked that way and it didn't occur to me to try and troubleshoot it. So, I went through all of my scripts and couldn't fix the problem. Then I went to Preferences and reset to default (ouch) - bingo! No cursor jumping. Now I'll have to go through each setting to identify which one causes the jump. Schazjmd (talk) 13:26, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
Schazjmd, ouch indeed! Thanks for letting me know, that saved me some time. I think I've found the preference setting - when I disable 'Enable the editing toolbar', in the 'Editing' tab, it stops happening. That's a bit of a pain though, because you lose access to the 'Cite' tool, which I use all the time. What to do - is this a trip to the Village Pump do you think? GirthSummit (blether) 13:40, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
Girth Summit, hmm, I can't repro your experience. I have "Enable the editing toolbar" selected and it isn't happening. I've restored all of my settings, except "Gadgets", so I think the culprit (at least for my browser) is in there. Schazjmd (talk) 13:43, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
Schazjmd Hmm. I wonder if it's two things combining to cause the problem. Like, if you have the editing toolbar and something else enabled, it happens, but not if you have one or the other. Is there any way for us to view each other's preferences, to compare what I've got switched on and you've got switched off? That might be easier than going through one setting at a time trying to replicate it. GirthSummit (blether) 13:46, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
Girth Summit, I think you're right about two things. I just noticed that while I've been testing, I didn't have syntax highlighter turned on. As soon as I turned it on, the jumping problem came back. So now I have to start again from the beginning to figure out what script or setting is interacting with syntax highlighter to cause the problem. Schazjmd (talk) 13:50, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
Schazjmd Update - good think you mentioned the browser there. I generally edit using MS Edge, but I just tried it in Chrome and it isn't happening. Maybe it is something that affects different browsers differently, which might make it more difficult to replicate. I guess I could work around it by just editing in Chrome, but I'm kind of used to the way everything looks in Edge now - Chrome just looks weird to me. GirthSummit (blether) 13:49, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
Girth Summit, me too, I've gotten fond of Edge. So our problem is Edge + syntax highlighter + <unknown>… Schazjmd (talk) 13:51, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
Or maybe not. I just removed all scripts and reset preferences to default, but as long as I have syntax highlighter activated, it jumps. I guess it's an Edge defect. Schazjmd (talk) 13:54, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
Weird. I've never used Syntax Highlighter - I don't have that switched on now, and it's happening. The only way I've found so far to stop it is to lose the Editing Toolbar - which is probably too big a sacrifice to get rid of the jumping cursor. I'll keep tinkering and see whether I can find any other way of getting rid of it. GirthSummit (blether) 13:56, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
Girth Summit, that's a pain. And it's weird we have the same problem but different configs. But I've figured out that I can toggle syntax highlighter off while I'm doing copy/cut editing to avoid the jump, so thanks for motivating me to look into this. Sorry that your fix is so unusable! Schazjmd (talk) 14:00, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
Schazjmd Never mind, it's kind of interesting tinkering around in preferences! I've found I can fix it by disabling the 2010 editing toolbar, but enabling the 2006 one. Looks kind of retro, but I might be able to get used to it. Otherwise I could just try to get used to Chrome... Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 14:05, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

───────────────────────── @Schazjmd: Your query about two users viewing each others preference settings is intriguing, it would be nice to have a Special page similar to Twinkle's preferences. I use that page to C/P settings between my main account and public and phone accounts, but I'm no developer, so not even sure if such a thing is possible :P - FlightTime (open channel) 14:12, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Can we trust![edit]

I want to know that website "Knowledge @ Wharton" exist really or it is fake. Can I trust on the content provided on that website? I found some important information on that website and want it to add in one of the article. I checked about it on "WP: Reliability of Reference" but I couldn't find, this website name there. Please! anyone tell that this website exist really and can I trust fully on it's content? Thanks. (09:22, 17 August 2019 (UTC)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

223, I see that you have posted a request to Jayron32's talk page. You posted it to the top of the page, where it is quite possible that Jayron32 will never notice it; you should post requests and comments to the bottom of the page, as you have done here. And your request is about a specific article, which you describe as about "Dr. Shamsheer". It would be helpful and polite if you gave a link to the article instead of expecting Jayron32 to search for it, particularly as Wikipedia has several articles about people called Shamsheer. (Maybe you mean Shamsheer Vayalil, but I can't be sure.) Maproom (talk) 10:07, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
@Maproom: Yes it certainly appears to be our perpetual requester of edits in respect of Shamsheer Vayali. See #Please response above for explanation of his 'interest'. Eagleash (talk) 12:17, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Ok! I am trying to edit myself but if something becomes disruptive, for that I'm sorry.

Thank you. ( (talk) 16:14, 17 August 2019 (UTC))

Alan Dershowitz[edit]

I noticed there is nothing in Alan Dershowitz’ biography about his recent legal issues and the page is not editable to “protect” - what exactly? To protect Alan Dershowitz? I have donated to Wikipedia in the past because I thought Wikipedia was a platform for the public and not for private protection of individuals who want to write whatever they want to write about themselves regardless of recent news. Is that no longer the case? Who is allowed to edit Wikipedia? Why is Alan Dershowitz protected? Birgitte Jensen — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:28, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi Birgitte Jensen - protection is usually put on pages that attract significant amounts of vandalism, or (since this is a biography of a living person) possibly it's because a lot of people were adding unsourced controversial material. It's quite lightly protected, and most editors with established accounts can edit it - it's just very new accounts and unregistered users (who are usually the ones who vandalise pages) that can't. I can assure you that this individual has no more (or less) protection than we would give any living person. If there are specific edits you would like to be made to the article, you can put an edit request on its talk page - just makes sure you are clear on what you want to be added, and that you provide at least one reliable source that supports the assertions you want to make - then another editor will look at what you are suggesting and, provided it meets our policies on biographies of living persons, the change will be made. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 10:35, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Creating an article on wikipedia[edit]

How can one create an article on wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Makokha Thomson Otyola (talkcontribs) 11:45, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

@Makokha Thomson Otyola: I would caution you that successfully creating a new article is probably the hardest task on Wikipedia. It takes much time, effort, and practice. New users who dive right in to creating articles often end up disappointed and with hurt feelings as something they worked hours on (likely without a good understanding of the process) is mercilessly edited and deleted by others. I don't want to see that happen to you. New users are much more successful at creating articles when they first spend time(weeks or even months) editing existing articles in areas that interest them, to get a feel for using Wikipedia, the editing process, and what goes into creating articles. Usually such users start with small edits like spelling fixes, move up to more substantive edits and lastly work their way into creating articles. I would suggest that you pursue such a path. You may also want to use the use the new user tutorial.
However, if you still want to attempt to create an article, you should first read Your First Article. Then, you can use Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft for a review before it is formally placed in the encyclopedia. This way, you get feedback on it beforehand, instead of afterwards when it will be treated more critically. 331dot (talk) 16:47, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Posting a profile[edit]

How do I post a profile on Wikipedia and how can I start a business line of writing and posting other people's profiles on Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruthrence (talkcontribs) 15:24, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Short answer: you don't. Wikipedia is not social media, articles about people are only included if they are notable in WP's terms. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 15:27, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
Also, please sign your posts with four tildes: ~~~~ Martin of Sheffield (talk) 15:28, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
See also PAID and COI. Also remember that, if you write an article (we don't do profiles) about someone, neither you nor they own it - any editor can change the content, provided they do so according to our relevant policies; or indeed any editor may nominate it for deletion if they don't think the subject is notable. I would advise you not to go down this route. GirthSummit (blether) 17:01, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error references no text[edit]

I'm trying to fix the reference error for Zoe Telford's info box. Anyone? Thanks in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jack.D.Tipper (talkcontribs) 16:50, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

I see that you've fixed it. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:36, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
Jack.D.Tipper To easily fix or expand bare references, I like to use this reFill tool from wmflabs. Regards, Willbb234Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 18:12, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

August 18[edit]

Western Heights College[edit]

I have added a second web site in the information box on this page - but it is all wrong. Please fix if you can Thanks (talk) 01:15, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

The website field in the infobox is for the primary website of the institution only, so I have removed the second one you tried to add. MB 02:26, 18 August 2019 (UTC)